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I got an M1 MacBook Pro from work last year, and expecting to pay the price for being an early adopter, I set up my previous Intel-based MBP nearby in case I ran into any problems or needed to run one of my existing virtual machines. I do varied development projects ranging from compiling kernels to building web frontends. At all. Docker and VMware Fusion both have Apple Silicon support, and even in “tech preview” status they are both rock solid. Docker gets kudos for supporting emulated x86 containers, though I rarely use them.
I was able to easily rebuild almost all of my virtual machines; thanks to the Raspberry Pi, almost all of the packages I use were already available for arm64, though Ubuntu Rosetta is flawless, including for userland drivers for USB and Bluetooth devices, but virtually all of my apps were rebuilt native very quickly. Curious to see what, if anything, is running under translation, I just discovered that WhatsApp, the 1 Social Networking app in the App Store, still ships Intel-only.
Rosetta is definitely not flawless. Often times people experience different levels of difficulty using Apple Silicon precisely because my workload is not yours, and yours is different again from OP’s So I feel this particular Ask HN is more about wondering how different everyone’s workflows are, and how that impacts M1 usage. There are people fighting against this, for example the Linux on Apple Silicon project bringing up the GPU, but it’s slow going. Give it another few years, and people will stop using x, y, or z frameworks, and only use whatever API’s Apple gives us, because that is the Apple Way.
Proceed at your own peril. The future is fast, but there is only one road. I use “flawless” in the sense that I have not seen a single incompatibility or even regression in any of the ordinary macOS software I have used under its translation, which is exactly what it was designed to do. There are a handful of apps that aren’t supported, but few of these are popular apps.
I submitted a correction to the Wine entry, since wine64 has worked under Rosetta 2 for a year. Just to note. So this precludes you from having to switch commands everywhere.
On my m1 I see 16x performance differences in builds in favour of native over emulated. Even simple shell script run slow or seem to stall when emulated. Operyl 59 days ago parent prev next [—]. If you open Activity Monitor you can see what processes are running in “Apple” or “Intel”! Are there more details on “docker buildx build” that you can point us to? You can build multiplatform images for x86 and ARM e.
I constantly use buildx to build x86 images on my M1 so that I can run these images in my x86 Kubernetes cluster. As best I can tell, you don’t actually need a custom builder. I needed the workaround from this comment to make it work to install qemu? Overall a very slick experience for going from zero to multiarch containers.
Well done, Docker. The video on my is dying. Unfortunately it belongs to work, and not to me. Good luck finding a replacement, though. That just means it is a user who signed up recently. It adds a menu bar icon that switches according to the currently-focused app’s architecture. Hmm, docker is very buggy for my team and myself on m1. When you paste the message you get when you run any docker command after that into Google, you see that many people have this issue and the fix is; restart docker.
I am not sure if it did happen on x86 Mac as I never used docker there. Right now for me it seems incapable of auto-updating, which I assume is unrelated to Apple Silicon.
Rosetta’s biggest flaw is lack of AVX support. We had to put so much effort to just run things on Rosetta because all of our compiled code had AVX enabled.
We also needed to chase down pre-compiled binaries and re-compile them without AVX, we still haven’t finished this work. No, and they’ve announced they do not plan to support it. At least some aspects of this issue are getting better as we speak. Based on descriptions, it seems that the rest of the hypervisor VM framework has also matured substantially this release. It does binary pre-compilation and cacheing.
It also works with JIT systems. They are now making that available within Linux VMs running on Macs. If somebody has better info M1 Native. However, x86 Rosetta on M1 was faster than the previous i9 Macbook Pro x86 native. I consider that to be performant for running code that was compiled for a very different architecture. When you compare with the sad-trombone sound that Windows has produced for its ARM os, it is speedy.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I really think people should ignore bench scores and run the processes they need themselves. See what it feels like, and how comfortable you are with that. You can decide beforehand if increased speed with respect to your experience on your machines is beneficial to you or not. And how do people without disposable income judge?
In the case of Apple at least, they have a 14 day no questions return policy. Those are terrific numbers for emulation. That’s because it’s not emulation. It’s binary translation, which is vastly more performant. I have benchmarked x86 on ARM Linux VM with Rosetta, and while Geekbench 5 shows similar performance between ARM and x86 version for both single and multi core , this does not translate to the actual real world use cases.
This is still significantly better than using qemu emulation, but it’s not really usable in our case. Maybe this setup is not ideal. That’s where most of the performance really comes from, as I understand it.
Not really; you can skip the barriers as Windows does and get mostly-decent emulation. Where did you see that? I’m still trying to get a handle on the latest changes. Says so here, which was posted earlier this week.
I do work for Apple but not at all on related stuff. I have a few tools I need to use that haven’t yet been making official Apple Silicon releases due to GitHub actions not supporting Apple Silicon fully yet. The workaround involves maintaining two versions of homebrew, one for ARM and one for x, and then being super careful to make sure you don’t forget if you’re working in an environment that’s ARM and one that’s X It’s too much of a pain to keep straight for me I admit it – I lack patience and am forgetful, so this is a bit of a “me” problem versus a tech problem.
My solution was to give up using my M1 mac for development work. It sits on a desk as my email and music machine, and I moved all my dev work to an x86 Linux laptop. I’ll probably drift back to my mac if the tools I need start to properly support Apple Silicon without hacky workarounds, but until GitHub actions supports it and people start doing official releases through that mechanism, I’m kinda stuck.
It is interesting how much impact GitHub has had by not having Apple Silicon support. Just look at the ticket for this issue to see the surprisingly long list of projects that are affected. The only way forward seems to be is running your own ado agents on arm machines you managed to arrange. Arm on Azure is a private beta that you have to subscribe for. CoolCold 58 days ago parent prev next [—]. Can you describe in a bit more details on this case?
In nutshell I don’t see how having Apple Silicon locally makes the problem – if your non local env dev, prod, stage is running on x86 Linux or even arm Linux, shouldn’t be any issue to build for that architectures on your build farms anyway. I may be missing some important part here. Alternative theory: Apple doesn’t offer an M1 server. Github doesn’t offer an M1 build server because M1 servers don’t exist. Yes because Microsoft got a special license from Apple that allows for the virtualization of Mac OS on non Apple hardware The rest of us is still running on racks of Mac Minis.
After each build completes, its macOS VM is reimaged, leaving no trace of your data on the agent. For more information, see where VSTS data is stored. Our Mac datacenters will expand to other geographies soon. Arnavion 59 days ago root parent next [—]. It sounds like they’re just using MacStadium. Do you have a source for this claim?
It seems like Github could do it. Mac Minis aren’t servers though – they suck in terms of redundancy, density, form factor, “lights out” management. And Apple’s EULA makes them basically unusable as short term rented servers, there’s a minimum of 24h which is ridiculous. True, but if they’re “server enough” for AWS, I think that says something. The 24 hour thing is a problem though.
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